tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post1978763261505250848..comments2023-12-23T02:10:09.875-05:00Comments on howl at pluto: 'Nations' and 'states'LFChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-5369926663217741182011-01-13T17:41:18.177-05:002011-01-13T17:41:18.177-05:00Yes, and thus it's important when a particular...Yes, and thus it's important <i>when</i> a particular 'nation-state' took its modern form: one of the reasons for the Germany-France contrast is the different timing in the histories -- though there are other reasons too.<br /><br />I'm sure the arguments in Brubaker's '92 book have been challenged, but I like it, partly b/c it's so clearly written. I'm perhaps a little biased b/c I know him slightly, but I think he is a v. good scholar. (He's at UCLA should you ever want to look up his page.)LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-49631639001525394762011-01-13T15:18:58.223-05:002011-01-13T15:18:58.223-05:00Agreed that the idea that nation generates the sta...Agreed that the idea that nation generates the state seems anachronistic... Certainly few people thought this before 19th century, and only since WWI & WWII has this principle been institutionalized. Nationalism is generally only an important legitimating principle in circumstances where mass politics are possible, and even then, as you said, it's often the state harnessing it rather than emerging from it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com