tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post5432829571465382557..comments2023-12-23T02:10:09.875-05:00Comments on howl at pluto: How not to make fun of RumsfeldLFChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-35427989663372447012015-04-10T11:58:55.195-04:002015-04-10T11:58:55.195-04:00My previous post on Rumsfeld I alluded to was from...My previous post on Rumsfeld I alluded to was from Oct. 2009.<br /><br />The opening (i.e., quoting myself here) ran:<br /><br />"The current issue of Foreign Policy Analysis contains an illuminating article about Donald Rumsfeld's 2001-06 tenure as Sec. of Defense, with particular reference to Iraq: Stephen Benedict Dyson, " 'Stuff Happens': Donald Rumsfeld and the Iraq War," Foreign Policy Analysis 5:4 (2009): 327-347.<br /><br />"Dyson argues that Rumsfeld was a paradox: a bureaucratic in-fighter who wanted to be in control of decision-making but, once in control, believed rather fatalistically that he and others could have relatively little impact on the course of events. This "paradoxical combination of a bureaucratic infighter style and a highly complex, somewhat fatalist worldview" (p.345) produced results that, given the larger context of the Bush administration's policy process, were nothing short of disastrous."<br /><br />---<br /><br />I don't recall whether Dyson cites the operational code stuff in that piece.<br /><br /><br />---<br /><br />Re Feith: I really don't know enough about him, nor do I know what other sorts of memos Rumsfeld sent him. Feith has been given a lot of the blame for the Pentagon's failure to plan for post-invasion Iraq. Presumably he makes an effort to defend himself in his memoirs, which I haven't read. I did dip into the memoirs for about 5 minutes in a bkstore once. He describes a mtg or a dinner as a college student with some prominent neocon, I forget which one, that influenced his politics and outlook.LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-14242825468611922262015-04-10T05:54:58.010-04:002015-04-10T05:54:58.010-04:00I think some scholars working on political psychol...I think some scholars working on political psychology and operational codes have done research on him: https://books.google.at/books?id=0VjHAAAAQBAJ&dq<br /><br />I'm not sure what I think of the operational code stuff. The problems of assessing the belief systems of individuals at a distance and on the basis of public statements are obvious, but proponents like Walker argue that the analyses have been corroborated in instances where public statements have been compared to evidence from the archives. Still, I'm cautious...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-29293716267602572382015-04-09T22:43:21.123-04:002015-04-09T22:43:21.123-04:00LFC
I had another thought on the subject. Dr. Fe...LFC<br /><br />I had another thought on the subject. Dr. Feith has the sort of undisciplined mind that draws all sorts of connections that no one else sees or would consider plausible. Possibly a good thing in a think tank or academic department. A very bad hahbit for an Undersecretary of Defense. <br /><br />A memo with short questions in an imperative voice is good way to minimize that tendency.hank_F_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851295792702162861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-9437126900253355302015-04-09T16:11:59.163-04:002015-04-09T16:11:59.163-04:00@hank
my bias is also toward short(er) memos, all ...@hank<br />my bias is also toward short(er) memos, all other things being equal. It's been a while since I've been in a memo-reading environment, though.LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-2373249553237758372015-04-09T16:08:50.972-04:002015-04-09T16:08:50.972-04:00@js.
Rumsfeld communicated with the memos he had,...@js.<br /><br /><i>Rumsfeld communicated with the memos he had, not the memos he wished he had.</i><br /><br /><br />:-) <br /><br />Rumsfeld did have a penchant for saying some, what's the right word?, weird/awful things.<br /><br />A while back I wrote a post on a journal article about him. I'll have to dig it up and refresh my memory on the article's argument.LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-43030572465443376742015-04-09T15:53:08.581-04:002015-04-09T15:53:08.581-04:00Having read a good number of memos that were 2 to ...Having read a good number of memos that were 2 to 10 times longer than they needed to be, and which sometimes newer addressed the alleged topic of the memo, I can't complain about desiring shorter memos. (Yes I have written a few of them myself.)<br /><br />I don't really care for Secretary Rumsfeld, but he did have a few good points.hank_F_Mhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09851295792702162861noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-10196980923077999252015-04-09T14:35:19.232-04:002015-04-09T14:35:19.232-04:00Rumsfeld communicated with the memos he had, not t...Rumsfeld communicated with the memos he had, not the memos he wished he had.JShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12633990428944524679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-58668165474647974922015-04-09T11:33:54.682-04:002015-04-09T11:33:54.682-04:00Agreed that that's what the memo seems to indi...Agreed that that's what the memo seems to indicate. But Scott Lemieux's post at Lawyers Guns & Money (LGM) which I linked could have made that point more clearly. Perhaps he thought it was so self-evident he didn't have to make it explicit.LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-4857852330252206992015-04-09T05:55:50.222-04:002015-04-09T05:55:50.222-04:00The memo underscores the fact that Rumsfeld though...The memo underscores the fact that Rumsfeld thought that Iraq would not require a long occupation and that US forces could move quickly onto the next issue. Neo-Conservatives like Rumsfeld really do seem to have thought that the international order could be transformed very rapidly through the use of overwhelming force, without creating any long-term liabilities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-132520298120231193.post-71138757690113338392015-04-08T21:58:57.542-04:002015-04-08T21:58:57.542-04:00Actually there are a few interesting, informative ...Actually there are a few interesting, informative comments in the linked LGM thread (linked with the word "via" here).<br /><br />Not every comment at LGM is a piece of pompous, semi-ignorant, self-righteous, posturing shit. Only about, say, 45 percent of them or so. ;)LFChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13551197682770555147noreply@blogger.com